#101 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:31 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:20:18 -0000, maratcolumn1 wrote:
>> I'm now starting the command line tools team. Our goal is to build
>compatible
>> versions of the command line tools you find in OS/2 Warp 4.
>
>This is the last (and easiest) thing to do. Where's the free API?
>Having API I can rewrite mentioned command-line utilities by myself in
>24 hours
>without peering at any sources. Take AIXLIKE, GNUTOOLS or any other
>set of utilities if you don't like IBMs. Most of the utilities are
>non-critical or never used. Programs in OS/2 (unlike UNIX) never use
>command line utilities. I don't see any point in this work. This will
>not even attract professional programmers 'cause kernel hacking
>requires much brighter people.
>
Wrong !
People lives by batchfiles that assumes the command line tools
act just the way they do.
FDISKPM and PMFORMAT shells out to fdisk.exe and format.com
and would definitly break if you changed the tools.
And, I dont pretend to stop anyone from doing kernel/driver/PM/WPS/
networking etc. development.
I choose cmd line tools since that something I'm capable of. You
choose what you can do
You please start a group just like I did. I'll give you cvs space and
a webpage. But I cannot do it all alone
Now who will start:
osFree/Kernel
osFree/Drivers
osFree/Dos/Kbd/Mou/vio API
osFree/Networking
osFree/PM
osFree/WPS
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#102 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Work to do - osFree/CMD - Sign up ! mailjmase
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:20:24 +0100, Herwig Bauernfeind wrote:
>"criguada@..." schrieb:
>
>> These questions come from a real example: I'd like to offer myself as
>> coder for TREE.EXE (to begin),
>
>There is a perfect TREE replacement (better output, same switch plus
>some more switches) in OS2CLU pack from Jonathan de Poyne Pollard.
>
Is it opensource ?
If so ask him to joint the project or do it yourself !
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Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:32 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:20:24 +0100, Herwig Bauernfeind wrote:
>"criguada@..." schrieb:
>
>> These questions come from a real example: I'd like to offer myself as
>> coder for TREE.EXE (to begin),
>
>There is a perfect TREE replacement (better output, same switch plus
>some more switches) in OS2CLU pack from Jonathan de Poyne Pollard.
>
Is it opensource ?
If so ask him to joint the project or do it yourself !
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Re: Part 4
#103 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:32 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:20:48 +0100, criguada@... wrote:
>Hi Carsten,
>
>> there might be tools that use / redirect / parse the output of given
>> programs and expect them to do output in a certain way.
>>
>> in your example I know of inhouse examples that would be broken.
>>
>> so, while I share your oppinion about TREE.EXEs usefullness per se,
>> any additional / better behavior should IMHO only implemented by
>> indroducing new switches, if at all.
>
>You're right.
>If it's OK with JMA, I'll start with TREE.EXE and add a few switches to
>make it produce a better output.
>
Work, dont talk
VBG
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:20:48 +0100, criguada@... wrote:
>Hi Carsten,
>
>> there might be tools that use / redirect / parse the output of given
>> programs and expect them to do output in a certain way.
>>
>> in your example I know of inhouse examples that would be broken.
>>
>> so, while I share your oppinion about TREE.EXEs usefullness per se,
>> any additional / better behavior should IMHO only implemented by
>> indroducing new switches, if at all.
>
>You're right.
>If it's OK with JMA, I'll start with TREE.EXE and add a few switches to
>make it produce a better output.
>
Work, dont talk
VBG
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Re: Part 4
#104 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:33 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:24:48 +0100, criguada@... wrote:
>Hi JMA,
>
>> >I forgot one thing: wouldn't it be good to establish a common coding
>> >style? We could choose among the well-established ones (K&R, etc.).
>> >We could also choose a comment style compatible with automatic
>> >documentation tools (any suggestions? doxygen? others?).
>> >Finally, we could choose a scheme for naming variables. The classical
>> >one used in IBM OS/2 Toolkit seems like a good candidate.
>> >
>> I cannot agree more.
>>
>> Would it be possible for you to document this in some way so that
>> aspiring developers will know how to write ?
>>
>> We should definitly have this on our web and ftp site.
>
>I'll see what I can do. In the meantime I'll collect info about coding
>styles and doc tools, than I'll post a few suggestions here for you to
>approve one or the other alternative.
>
For *us* to approve.
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Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:33 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:24:48 +0100, criguada@... wrote:
>Hi JMA,
>
>> >I forgot one thing: wouldn't it be good to establish a common coding
>> >style? We could choose among the well-established ones (K&R, etc.).
>> >We could also choose a comment style compatible with automatic
>> >documentation tools (any suggestions? doxygen? others?).
>> >Finally, we could choose a scheme for naming variables. The classical
>> >one used in IBM OS/2 Toolkit seems like a good candidate.
>> >
>> I cannot agree more.
>>
>> Would it be possible for you to document this in some way so that
>> aspiring developers will know how to write ?
>>
>> We should definitly have this on our web and ftp site.
>
>I'll see what I can do. In the meantime I'll collect info about coding
>styles and doc tools, than I'll post a few suggestions here for you to
>approve one or the other alternative.
>
For *us* to approve.
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Re: Part 4
#105 From: "criguada@..." <criguada@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Work to do - osFree/CMD - Sign up ! criguada
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Hi Herwig,
> > These questions come from a real example: I'd like to offer myself as
> > coder for TREE.EXE (to begin),
>
> There is a perfect TREE replacement (better output, same switch plus
> some more switches) in OS2CLU pack from Jonathan de Poyne Pollard.
I know. The problem with JdeBP tools is that they're free to use, _NOT_
opensource.
However, we should definitely try to contact him, since he has written
not only these tools, but also a complete 32-bit replacement for the
ancient VIO*, MOU*, etc. APIs.
Also I know for sure he is developing a 32bit replacement for CMD.EXE.
If he agrees about helping osFree, and to make his tools opensource,
this would be a very good start.
His address is <J.deBoynePollard@...>. JMA??
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Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:43 pm
Subject: Re: Work to do - osFree/CMD - Sign up ! criguada
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Hi Herwig,
> > These questions come from a real example: I'd like to offer myself as
> > coder for TREE.EXE (to begin),
>
> There is a perfect TREE replacement (better output, same switch plus
> some more switches) in OS2CLU pack from Jonathan de Poyne Pollard.
I know. The problem with JdeBP tools is that they're free to use, _NOT_
opensource.
However, we should definitely try to contact him, since he has written
not only these tools, but also a complete 32-bit replacement for the
ancient VIO*, MOU*, etc. APIs.
Also I know for sure he is developing a 32bit replacement for CMD.EXE.
If he agrees about helping osFree, and to make his tools opensource,
this would be a very good start.
His address is <J.deBoynePollard@...>. JMA??
Bye
Cris
Re: Part 4
#106 From: "criguada@..." <criguada@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Work to do - osFree/CMD - Sign up ! criguada
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Hi JMA,
> >If it's OK with JMA, I'll start with TREE.EXE and add a few switches to
> >make it produce a better output.
> >
> Work, dont talk
>
> VBG
>
:'-D
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Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Work to do - osFree/CMD - Sign up ! criguada
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Hi JMA,
> >If it's OK with JMA, I'll start with TREE.EXE and add a few switches to
> >make it produce a better output.
> >
> Work, dont talk
>
> VBG
>
:'-D
Bye
Cris
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#107 From: "Konstantin Okounkov" <ok@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:03 pm
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Hello!
As i see, osFree files was deleted from hobbes. What's about official site with
any information about osFree and/or its distribution ?
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Hello!
As i see, osFree files was deleted from hobbes. What's about official site with
any information about osFree and/or its distribution ?
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#108 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:51 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:43:44 +0100, criguada@... wrote:
>I know. The problem with JdeBP tools is that they're free to use, _NOT_
>opensource.
>
>However, we should definitely try to contact him, since he has written
>not only these tools, but also a complete 32-bit replacement for the
>ancient VIO*, MOU*, etc. APIs.
>
>Also I know for sure he is developing a 32bit replacement for CMD.EXE.
>
>If he agrees about helping osFree, and to make his tools opensource,
>this would be a very good start.
>
>His address is <J.deBoynePollard@...>. JMA??
>
Please you invite him, I cant to everything
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Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:51 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:43:44 +0100, criguada@... wrote:
>I know. The problem with JdeBP tools is that they're free to use, _NOT_
>opensource.
>
>However, we should definitely try to contact him, since he has written
>not only these tools, but also a complete 32-bit replacement for the
>ancient VIO*, MOU*, etc. APIs.
>
>Also I know for sure he is developing a 32bit replacement for CMD.EXE.
>
>If he agrees about helping osFree, and to make his tools opensource,
>this would be a very good start.
>
>His address is <J.deBoynePollard@...>. JMA??
>
Please you invite him, I cant to everything
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#109 From: "criguada@..." <criguada@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: Work to do - osFree/CMD - Sign up ! criguada
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Hi JMA,
> >styles and doc tools, than I'll post a few suggestions here for you to
> >approve one or the other alternative.
> >
> For *us* to approve.
I think that, for this to work, there must be a somewhat tirannic
project admin, otherwise we fall back to the FreeOS situation, where
everyone discusses everything and noone does anything.
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Hi JMA,
> >styles and doc tools, than I'll post a few suggestions here for you to
> >approve one or the other alternative.
> >
> For *us* to approve.
I think that, for this to work, there must be a somewhat tirannic
project admin, otherwise we fall back to the FreeOS situation, where
everyone discusses everything and noone does anything.
Bye
Cris
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#110 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:40 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:03:45 +0300 (MST), Konstantin Okounkov wrote:
>Hello!
>
>As i see, osFree files was deleted from hobbes. What's about official site with
>any information about osFree and/or its distribution ?
>
The website is on its way. It will be hosted on os2world.com but we need someone
that can do the pages.
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Date: Wed Feb 20, 2002 6:40 pm
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:03:45 +0300 (MST), Konstantin Okounkov wrote:
>Hello!
>
>As i see, osFree files was deleted from hobbes. What's about official site with
>any information about osFree and/or its distribution ?
>
The website is on its way. It will be hosted on os2world.com but we need someone
that can do the pages.
Sincerely
JMA
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