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Re: Part 27

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#805 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2003 9:56 pm
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Duval" <amoht@o...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This site could be of interest to the osFree group.
>
> <http://skyos.org/>
>
>
> Alan Duval

$10 for the plain cd and $14 for the cd with printed label and
printed 'dvd' box. It is not such a bad deal. I might give it
a try but not as a replacement for either OS/2-eCS or OSFree.

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Re: Part 27

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#806 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2003 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@n...> wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:09:27 +0200 (CES), Zsolt Kadar wrote:
>
> >>1. osFree TPE is still proceeding clandestinely
> >>on an isolated machine here in Russia (weekly builds with the
> >>bootable 9.023 kernel are up, and minor kernel updates continue
> >>to flow).
> >
> >Any chance on getting a public update?
>
> No. Clandestine means clandestine. I'm sure one can't find a public
> location where it will remain accessible for more than 24 hours.

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is an excellent site for store OS/2 files.

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Re: Part 27

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#807 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2003 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@n...> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:08:30 +0200 (CES), Zsolt Kadar wrote:
>
> >>>Any chance on getting a public update?
> >>No. Clandestine means clandestine. I'm sure one can't find a public
> >
> >Then why is it still being developed?
>
> I can't say about it being "developed", it's more about being
> "maintained". There are some sporadic activities for certain internal
> needs, perhaps. One of my "production" laptops runs that very kernel,
> and I've got my hands on a Linux port of HPFS CHKDSK (hpfs.fsck) this
> April.
>
> With a carefully arranged set of PM DLLs, the osFree TPE kernel can run
> Odin, and presumably Virtual PC and more that of "high-end" stuff, so
> it's not that useless. Adding GRADD support would immediately blow the
> IBM's kernel off two more machines sitting next to me.
>
> >>location where it will remain accessible for more than 24 hours.
> >
> >Well, the first release is still available on some public sites. ))
>
> Somehow I knew that. But it's clear that the hunt will resume as soon as
> there is another binary release out of the door.

One excellent public site is http://hobbes.nmsu.edu
(where one can receive the latest OSFree source [since
May 2003 - IIRC]).

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Re: Part 27

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#808 From: "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@...>
Date: Mon Sep 8, 2003 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? a_belov2001
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:02:19 -0000, Tom Lee Mullins wrote:

>> >Any chance on getting a public update?
>>
>> No. Clandestine means clandestine. I'm sure one can't find a public
>> location where it will remain accessible for more than 24 hours.
>
>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is an excellent site for store OS/2 files.

Last time I've seen it on Hobbes, it stayed there for 21 hours.
Certainly, it was the first location where the team's liaisons have
uploaded it, and the first location from which it has been promptly
removed.

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Re: Part 27

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#809 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 5:15 am
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? prokushev
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Hello!

Answer on message from Andrew Belov to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

>>>> Any chance on getting a public update?
>>> No. Clandestine means clandestine. I'm sure one can't find a
> public
>>> location where it will remain accessible for more than 24 hours. :-
> )
>> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is an excellent site for store OS/2 files.
AB> Last time I've seen it on Hobbes, it stayed there for 21 hours.
AB> Certainly, it was the first location where the team's liaisons
AB> have
AB> uploaded it, and the first location from which it has been
AB> promptly
AB> removed.
Andrew, sorry, but you talkin about osfree TPE which just compilation
of leaked sources of os/2 warp 4 (old kernel). osFree can't be based on
unlegal things. Point. hobbes still contains _legal_ sources of osFree
project, and will contain, I think.

I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will support
pirated software. And start talking about real project.

CU!

Yuri Prokushev
prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

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Re: Part 27

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:32 am

#810 From: "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? a_belov2001
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On 09 Sep 03 07:15:21 +0600, yuri_prokushev@... wrote:

>I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will support
>pirated software.

"Pirated" would be a clumsy word for the osFree TPE ("clandestine"
was the correct term, IMO). After all, it was over 6 months of
development
to be delivered, so I'd refrain from depreciating its value just because
IBM's bureaucracy prevents the source from circulating publicly. And
it works on my laptop. And you probably know who supplied the team
with hibernation subcomponent.

>And start talking about real project.

Unfortunately, the only "real project" of the last weeks seems to be the
TPE. That's why the topic has been raised.

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Re: Part 27

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:40 am

#811 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 5:36 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? prokushev
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* Answer on message from INET.OSFREE area

Hello!

Answer on message from Andrew Belov to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

>> I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will
> support
>> pirated software.
AB> "Pirated" would be a clumsy word for the osFree TPE ("clandestine"
AB> was the correct term, IMO). After all, it was over 6 months of
AB> development
AB> to be delivered, so I'd refrain from depreciating its value just
AB> because
AB> IBM's bureaucracy prevents the source from circulating publicly.
AB> And
AB> it works on my laptop. And you probably know who supplied the team
AB> with hibernation subcomponent.
>> And start talking about real project.
AB> Unfortunately, the only "real project" of the last weeks seems to
AB> be
AB> the TPE. That's why the topic has been raised.
Sorry, but usage of unlegal sources can't be 'real' project. Period. If
IBM will release sources under opensource license -> no any questions.

CU!

Yuri Prokushev
prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

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Re: Part 27

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:41 am

#812 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, yuri_prokushev@m... wrote:
> * Answer on message from INET.OSFREE area
>
> Hello!
>
> Answer on message from Andrew Belov to osFree@yahoogroups.com:
>
> >>>> Any chance on getting a public update?
> >>> No. Clandestine means clandestine. I'm sure one can't find a
> > public
> >>> location where it will remain accessible for more than 24 hours. :-
> > )
> >> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is an excellent site for store OS/2 files.
> AB> Last time I've seen it on Hobbes, it stayed there for 21 hours.
> AB> Certainly, it was the first location where the team's liaisons
> AB> have
> AB> uploaded it, and the first location from which it has been
> AB> promptly
> AB> removed.
> Andrew, sorry, but you talkin about osfree TPE which just compilation
> of leaked sources of os/2 warp 4 (old kernel). osFree can't be based on
> unlegal things. Point. hobbes still contains _legal_ sources of osFree
> project, and will contain, I think.
>
> I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will support
> pirated software. And start talking about real project.
>
> CU!
>
> Yuri Prokushev
> prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

IIRC - the source code at http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is not
illegal but original source code (IIRC - it does not contain
any illegal source code). IIRC - the 'osfree' in question that
supposedly had 'stolen source code' was at http://wwww.os2.cz
where one can still download it (but I am not sure if it was
stolen).

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Re: Part 27

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:42 am

#813 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, yuri_prokushev@m... wrote:
> * Answer on message from INET.OSFREE area
>
> Hello!
>
> Answer on message from Andrew Belov to osFree@yahoogroups.com:
>
> >> I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will
> > support
> >> pirated software.
> AB> "Pirated" would be a clumsy word for the osFree TPE ("clandestine"
> AB> was the correct term, IMO). After all, it was over 6 months of
> AB> development
> AB> to be delivered, so I'd refrain from depreciating its value just
> AB> because
> AB> IBM's bureaucracy prevents the source from circulating publicly.
> AB> And
> AB> it works on my laptop. And you probably know who supplied the team
> AB> with hibernation subcomponent.
> >> And start talking about real project.
> AB> Unfortunately, the only "real project" of the last weeks seems to
> AB> be
> AB> the TPE. That's why the topic has been raised.
> Sorry, but usage of unlegal sources can't be 'real' project. Period. If
> IBM will release sources under opensource license -> no any questions.
>
> CU!
>
> Yuri Prokushev
> prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

Just to be picky, the term is 'ellegal' not 'unlegal'.

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Re: Part 27

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:43 am

#814 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, yuri_prokushev@m... wrote:
> * Answer on message from INET.OSFREE area
>
> Hello!
>
> Answer on message from Andrew Belov to osFree@yahoogroups.com:
>
> >> I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will
> > support
> >> pirated software.
> AB> "Pirated" would be a clumsy word for the osFree TPE ("clandestine"
> AB> was the correct term, IMO). After all, it was over 6 months of
> AB> development
> AB> to be delivered, so I'd refrain from depreciating its value just
> AB> because
> AB> IBM's bureaucracy prevents the source from circulating publicly.
> AB> And
> AB> it works on my laptop. And you probably know who supplied the team
> AB> with hibernation subcomponent.
> >> And start talking about real project.
> AB> Unfortunately, the only "real project" of the last weeks seems to
> AB> be
> AB> the TPE. That's why the topic has been raised.
> Sorry, but usage of unlegal sources can't be 'real' project. Period. If
> IBM will release sources under opensource license -> no any questions.
>
> CU!
>
> Yuri Prokushev
> prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

Illegal not unlegal (I mispelled illegal with too many e's).

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