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Part 28 - Sep 09 2003

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#815 From: "Zsolt Kadar" <kadzsol@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 8:50 pm
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>>I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will support
>>pirated software.

Of course not. But we cannot ignore that it is out there and if someone
can find a way to recycle it the software would not be pirated any
more. It would not be the first time that it happens.

>"Pirated" would be a clumsy word for the osFree TPE ("clandestine"
>was the correct term, IMO). After all, it was over 6 months of
>development
>to be delivered, so I'd refrain from depreciating its value just because
>IBM's bureaucracy prevents the source from circulating publicly. And
>it works on my laptop. And you probably know who supplied the team
>with hibernation subcomponent.

No, but I am furious. If you do not want to saty it here please email
me with his/her name.

>>And start talking about real project.
>Unfortunately, the only "real project" of the last weeks seems to be the
>TPE. That's why the topic has been raised.

That is true. It was nice to hear that it is still in alive. ))

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:47 am

#816 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 10:33 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? prokushev
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Hello!

Answer on message from Zsolt Kadar to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

>>> I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will
> support
>>> pirated software.
ZK> Of course not. But we cannot ignore that it is out there and if
ZK> someone can find a way to recycle it the software would not be
ZK> pirated any
ZK> more. It would not be the first time that it happens.
Well. Only one choice to use these sources is to use standard approach.
One person(s) documenting all structures, interfaces, ipc, etc. Another
person(s) wrote new code using such documentation. But direct usage of
such code doesn't help. We can have only problems with such sources.

>>> And start talking about real project.
>> Unfortunately, the only "real project" of the last weeks seems to
> be
>> the TPE. That's why the topic has been raised.
ZK> That is true. It was nice to hear that it is still in alive. ))
It is bad to hear that. Unfortunately, osFree TPE can lead lot of
legality problems.

But osFree (www.osfree.org) project can be restarted in easy way. Kim
can install CVS, forums and update pages. I can import osFree (like at
hobbes) sources. So any person can continue work on project.

CU!

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Re: Part 28

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#817 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 10:33 pm
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Answer on message from Tom Lee Mullins to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

TLM> Just to be picky, the term is 'ellegal' not 'unlegal'.
Illegal. But doesn'y matter.

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:50 am

#818 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 10:33 pm
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Answer on message from Tom Lee Mullins to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

>>>> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is an excellent site for store OS/2 files.
AB>>> Last time I've seen it on Hobbes, it stayed there for 21 hours.
AB>>> Certainly, it was the first location where the team's liaisons
AB>>> have
AB>>> uploaded it, and the first location from which it has been
AB>>> promptly
AB>>> removed.
>> Andrew, sorry, but you talkin about osfree TPE which just
> compilation
>> of leaked sources of os/2 warp 4 (old kernel). osFree can't be
> based on
>> unlegal things. Point. hobbes still contains _legal_ sources of
> osFree
>> project, and will contain, I think.
>> I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will
> support
>> pirated software. And start talking about real project.
TLM> IIRC - the source code at http://hobbes.nmsu.edu is not
TLM> illegal but original source code (IIRC - it does not contain
TLM> any illegal source code).
Right.

TLM> IIRC - the 'osfree' in question that
TLM> supposedly had 'stolen source code' was at http://wwww.os2.cz
TLM> where one can still download it (but I am not sure if it was
TLM> stolen).
Stolen.


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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:51 am

#819 From: "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 10:05 pm
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On 10 Sep 03 00:33:15 +0600, yuri_prokushev@... wrote:

> TLM> IIRC - the 'osfree' in question that
> TLM> supposedly had 'stolen source code' was at http://wwww.os2.cz
> TLM> where one can still download it (but I am not sure if it was
> TLM> stolen).
>Stolen.

Only a single question:

By whom?


(that's why we prefer to call it "legally unconfirmed").

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:52 am

#820 From: "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 10:33 pm
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On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:50:12 +0200 (CES), Zsolt Kadar wrote:

>>>I propose to stop talking about osfree tpe because nobody will support
>>>pirated software.
>
>Of course not. But we cannot ignore that it is out there and if someone
>can find a way to recycle it the software would not be pirated any
>more. It would not be the first time that it happens.

A "legal clearance"? That would be a nice idea, maybe I will even sign
up
for that.

Still, it's somewhat labour-intensive. I've arranged the "legal
clearance" of the ARJ project (www.arjsoft.com -> arj.sourceforge.net),
and that was about seven months for 35000 LOCs (lines of code). I was
"distilling" it at a rate of about 100...500 lines of C+Assembler code
per day during my spare time.

Now you may extrapolate the figures for OS/2 kernel/API code. My
estimation is some 250 man-months, but I suspect from my DDK experience
that the source code of OS/2 may sometimes look worse that the
disassembled code.

>>to be delivered, so I'd refrain from depreciating its value just because
>>IBM's bureaucracy prevents the source from circulating publicly. And
>>it works on my laptop. And you probably know who supplied the team
>>with hibernation subcomponent.
>
>No, but I am furious. If you do not want to saty it here please email
>me with his/her name.

Evidence indicates it was the same person who has distributed the
"hibernation toolkit" (HIBERTKT.ZIP) to Hobbes. The inquest will
determine whether he may have any relation to the surreptitions
activities around so-called "osFree TPE" ))

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:57 am

#821 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2003 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@n...> wrote:
> On 10 Sep 03 00:33:15 +0600, yuri_prokushev@m... wrote:
>
> > TLM> IIRC - the 'osfree' in question that
> > TLM> supposedly had 'stolen source code' was at http://wwww.os2.cz
> > TLM> where one can still download it (but I am not sure if it was
> > TLM> stolen).
> >Stolen.
>
> Only a single question:
>
> By whom?
>
>
> (that's why we prefer to call it "legally unconfirmed").

The one at Hobbes was posted by Yuri Prokushev.

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-viewer ... /osfreesrc
.zip

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:57 am

#822 From: "kadzsol" <kadzsol@...>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:26 am
Subject: Re: OSFree and eCS/Serenity Systems? kadzsol
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Belov" <andrew_belov@n...> wrote:
> Now you may extrapolate the figures for OS/2 kernel/API code. My
> estimation is some 250 man-months, but I suspect from my DDK

20-21 man-years, meaning 21 "translators" could finish it in 1 year.
Still much faster then rewriting the whole stuff from scratch. )

> Evidence indicates it was the same person who has distributed the
> "hibernation toolkit" (HIBERTKT.ZIP) to Hobbes. The inquest will
> determine whether he may have any relation to the surreptitions
> activities around so-called "osFree TPE" ))

OK, now I know.

Zs

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:59 am

#823 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:19 pm
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I checked http://www.osfree.org and it has a link to
(e-mail address which is part of) http://www.jma.se
but there is no mention of OSFree (?)

BigWarpGuy

PS I did find some freecode.
http://www.jma.se/sw/index.php?page=5

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Re: Part 28

Post by admin » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:00 am

#824 From: "Deepak Syal" <yoursdeepak26@...>
Date: Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:44 pm
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hi Everyone......

it was great to hear from some one who is 'ving the same
mind with me.
Here i'm 'ving a problem i've decided to make an
OS in my final year eng. project i just wanted to know that is it
possible to make one in just one year......'ve read lot about how
linux implements its features...and hope to use some of them...but
there's diff. between understanding and implementing...so plz help....
some of you must be knowing a lot about designing and
implementation phase or working on it ....so could you just give me
an idea from where i shd start from...do u know bout some books or
links which could help ... i 've read some but tell me bout them may
be they be useful of me.

And i'm 'ving a query that when we will be coding we'll
be coding some part in assembly and some in high level ....so i
wanted to know that if we use C for high level programing -C
functions use system calls of DOS in that case we will be bind to
make DOS as our base platform other wise how will we use C's
functioins.
if you people can solve my query do mail me up.

Deepak Syal
computer eng.
S.G.S.I.T.S
Indore

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