Part 24 - Aug 06 2003

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#705 From: Ben Ravago <ben.ravago@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 3:41 am
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement ben_ravago
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John P Baker wrote:

> I have created a new Yahoo group, OS2TCS-DOC, whose purpose is stated
> as follows:
>
> The purpose of this group is to prepare detailed documentation for a
> follow-on to OS/2, to be designed and implemented to meet the
> requirements of the Department of Defense Trusted Computer System
> Evaluation Criteria.
>

Sounds like a good idea. At least it hints at a well defined objective (not
just look-and-feel).
You might want to look at www.eros-os.org. Their objectives may be in line with
the TCS.

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#706 From: Dale Erwin <daleerwin@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 3:16 am
Subject: What can I do to help? dale_erwin
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I am a retired mainframe programmer with skills in IBM mainframe
assembler language and COBOL which don't do me a lot of good on
the PC. I did take some classes in C, but have never actually done
any real programming in C, and it's something that doesn't stay with
you if you don't use it. After retirement, I did manage to teach
myself Java and have done some apps in Java. That's also not going
to help me for a project like this. I have just recently purchased
a book to learn C++, but doing productive coding is still down the
road a bit.

However, I like the sound of this project and would like to do SOMEthing
to help. I only learned of this project yesterday... by accident...
maybe it is a too closely guarded secret.

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#707 From: "Joao Galvao" <jgalvao@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: What can I do to help? iidbbs
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:16:38 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:

> I have just recently purchased
>a book to learn C++, but doing productive coding is still down the
>road a bit.
>

You should go to Learn C++ Os/2 list.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPlusPlus ... =124897973

I worked with that too... MVS, VM/VSE, CICS, RAPS, JCL, etc...
Wonderfull Platform. That is why I like OS/2...

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#708 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Fri Aug 8, 2003 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: MiniGui with OSFree? bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Erwin" <daleerwin@i...> wrote:
> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Bartosz (Bart/2) Tomasik" <bart2@a...>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:19:36 -0000, Tom Lee Mullins wrote:
> >
> > >Can one use the MiniGui source code with OSFree?
> > >
> > >http://www.minigui.org / http://www.minigui.com
> >
> > one can do many things. The problem is you need someone who will
> > actually do the work. but no one really wants to do this or has
> > no time (which gives the same effect). Besides that, most of
> > community is not interested in this project (which is very
> > depressing and discouraging).
>
> This seems to be the problem with most of the OS/2 projects. Another
> thing could be that many don't even know of this project's existence.
> I just found out about it yesterday... quite by accident.
> --
> Dale Erwin

I guess spreading the word about it or having a link to it
at a web site would really help (the more people who know
about it, the greater tha chance of others helping).

BigWarpGuy

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#709 From: Dale Erwin <daleerwin@...>
Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 7:55 pm
Subject: What can I do to help? dale_erwin
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Just found this group yesterday quite by accident.

I am a retired mainframe programmer with skills in IBM mainframe
assembler language and COBOL. I have also taken classes in C,
but have done no real programming in C, and now C source looks like
Greek to me. It just doesn't stick when you don't use it for real
programming. Since my retirement in 2001 I have managed to teach
myself Java, and have successfully done some real programming in
Java.

I really doubt that I could contribute much as a developer, but I
am retired and would like to help in some way.
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Dale Erwin
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Lima 21 PERU
Tel. +51(1)461-3084
Cel. +51(1)9743-6439

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#710 From: Dale Erwin <daleerwin@...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 2:07 am
Subject: Re: What can I do to help? dale_erwin
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Joao Galvao wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 19:16:38 -0400, Dale Erwin wrote:
>
>
>>I have just recently purchased
>>a book to learn C++, but doing productive coding is still down the
>>road a bit.
>>
>
>
> You should go to Learn C++ Os/2 list.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CPlusPlus ... =124897973

Just so happens, I am the moderator of that list.

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#711 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 8:26 am
Subject: Building an OS/2 Replacement prokushev
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* Answer on message from Local.NetMail area

Hello!

Answer on message from John P Baker to OSFree:

JPB> However, I do not believe that the best approach is to start
JPB> coding
JPB> immediately.
Well, I agree with you, if you mean such parts of OS as kernel, PM, WPS,
MM or other huge parts. but lot of things can be started now. As
example, command line tools, SOM/CORBA support, PM tools, etc.

JPB> I would suggest that some period of time, at least several months,
JPB> be
JPB> devoted to producing a technical specification for what we want
JPB> to construct.
JPB> The specification should include sections for application
JPB> programming
JPB> interfaces, commands, file formats to be provided integrated
JPB> support, and
JPB> hardware to be supported (here, we will need to identify those
JPB> vendors who make
JPB> technical information available for device driver authors).
JPB> Other items will
JPB> certainly arise as production of the technical specification
JPB> progresses.
Agree. But I propose to start from dividing project onto logical parts,
like many OS projects do. Must be presented groups for kernel, device
drivers, user interface, documentation, etc.

JPB> I think that we should look at OS/2, Linux, and Windows, and
JPB> should
JPB> then incorporate into our technical specification the best ideas
JPB> of each.
Of course. But anyway, support of all existent OS/2 API must be
presented and applications supported.

CU!

Yuri Prokushev
prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

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#712 From: yuri_prokushev@mail.ru
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 8:26 am
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement prokushev
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* Answer on message from INET.OSFREE area

Hello!

Answer on message from phisiker2000 to osFree@yahoogroups.com:

p> I would be already happy to be able to run OS/2-programs on a
p> different
p> platform (Linux prefered). Why not participate at Wine to integrate
p> a
p> OS/2-layer? This would be a good first step for a free OS/2-
p> replacement:

p> 1.) The OS/2-Software would be able to run Win32-binaries without
p> the
p> need to rewrite all
p> 2.) The design of the Win32-controls can be adapted to the OS/2-
p> design
p> 3.) The execution of OS/2-binaries could be done on different OS
p> (Linux, ReactOS, ...)
p> 4.) A native OS/2-Kernel can be implemented later, but the first
p> success would be quite fast and help to acquire more developers.

Having OS/2 layer on top of such different system as *nix is not good
idea. If use another OS as base then I prefer to use ReactOS (WinNT)
because architecture allows to do such things. Just OS/2 subsystem can
be implemented without worring about kernel & drivers.


CU!

Yuri Prokushev
prokushev at freemail dot ru [http://sibyl.netlabs.org]

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#713 From: John P Baker <jbaker314@...>
Date: Sat Aug 9, 2003 5:35 pm
Subject: Building an OS/2 Replacement jbakersc
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I have created a new Yahoo group, OS2TCS-ADVOCACY, whose purpose
is stated as follows:

The purpose of this group is to discuss the creation of an OS/2
follow-on
meeting the requirements of the Department of Defense Trusted Computer
System Evaluation Criteria.

The OS2TCS-DOC group was previously established and is currently
active.

Other OS2TCS-xxx groups will be established in the future as the need
arises.

This group has been marked private, and all memberships must be
approved by the moderator (i.e., "me").

To subscribe to this group, send an email to

os2tcs-advocacy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

John P Baker

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#714 From: "Tom Lee Mullins" <tomleem@...>
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: Building an OS/2 Replacement bigwarpguy
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, John P Baker <jbaker314@e...> wrote:
> I have created a new Yahoo group, OS2TCS-ADVOCACY, whose purpose
> is stated as follows:
>
> The purpose of this group is to discuss the creation of
> an OS/2 follow-on meeting the requirements of the Department of
> Defense Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria.
>
> The OS2TCS-DOC group was previously established and is currently
> active.
>
> Other OS2TCS-xxx groups will be established in the future as
> the need arises.
>
> This group has been marked private, and all memberships must be
> approved by the moderator (i.e., "me").
>
> To subscribe to this group, send an email to
>
> os2tcs-advocacy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> John P Baker

Has there been many signup/join the new group?

BigWarpGuy