#1977 Re: New poll for osFree
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alh01dk
Aug 18, 2008
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, Carlos <carlossuss@...> wrote:
>
> It didn't say whether or not my vote registered, nor did it tell me
> I already voted when I tried again, so cross fingers that it
> worked...
The poll is not anonymous - as Yahoo requested it to be public
(I assume to avoid any fraud).
When the poll ends, everybody can check, that their vote is in right
place.
Allan.
Part 47 - Aug 08 2008
Re: Real development
#1978 Re: Real development
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alh01dk
Aug 18, 2008
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn H. Maxson" <lmaxson@...> wrote:
>
> No problem, Alan, a common mistake.
He he, my name is Allan - but I see people writing it that way too,
all the time
Allan.
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alh01dk
Aug 18, 2008
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn H. Maxson" <lmaxson@...> wrote:
>
> No problem, Alan, a common mistake.
He he, my name is Allan - but I see people writing it that way too,
all the time
Allan.
Re: [osFree] Re: Real development
#1979 Re: [osFree] Re: Real development
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Lynn H. Maxson
Aug 18, 2008
Alright, Allan, it happens. To bad we can't vote early and often. You
have mine.
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Lynn H. Maxson
Aug 18, 2008
Alright, Allan, it happens. To bad we can't vote early and often. You
have mine.
Re: [osFree] Real development
#1982 Re: [osFree] Real development
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Allan Holm
Aug 21, 2008
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:29:52 -0000, Yuri Prokushev wrote:
>While you plays with mailing list, pls, think about join to osFree
>development.
Well, this mailing list was started to support the osFree project.
Although the project started "on the wrong foot", it seems you have
got it on track.
> At the present time only few active developers. Having so
>small amount of resources we will wait for real release very long
>time. Actually, we have different areas for development. Starting from
>the loader and ending with WPS.
My guess would be, that no one really knows, what goes on in osFree
project. A website is something you have to visit, to know something
goes on ... info in a mailing list pops up in your face @ home
(when subscribed). I remember I have looked at osFree.org many times;
but most times some parts of site was down - and the different forums
from time to time was mostly empty.
There are 400 members of this list. Why don't the osFree developers
report all new developement / progress here ?
If you want to attract new developers, _the_ most importently thing
is to make your project look alive, and that meens posting news, and
discussing developement where it is being seen - and that is imho
not what happens on osFree web site.
Why don't you use this mail list to spread the info ?
Allan.
Allan Holm Operating -_-_\ \ / / ____ _____ _____
Running OS/2 at _-_ _-_-_\ \/\/ /-/ -_ \ \ -_ \_ \ -__\
Unleash 32-bit power! - -_-_-_\_/\_/ -\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ speed
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Allan Holm
Aug 21, 2008
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:29:52 -0000, Yuri Prokushev wrote:
>While you plays with mailing list, pls, think about join to osFree
>development.
Well, this mailing list was started to support the osFree project.
Although the project started "on the wrong foot", it seems you have
got it on track.
> At the present time only few active developers. Having so
>small amount of resources we will wait for real release very long
>time. Actually, we have different areas for development. Starting from
>the loader and ending with WPS.
My guess would be, that no one really knows, what goes on in osFree
project. A website is something you have to visit, to know something
goes on ... info in a mailing list pops up in your face @ home
(when subscribed). I remember I have looked at osFree.org many times;
but most times some parts of site was down - and the different forums
from time to time was mostly empty.
There are 400 members of this list. Why don't the osFree developers
report all new developement / progress here ?
If you want to attract new developers, _the_ most importently thing
is to make your project look alive, and that meens posting news, and
discussing developement where it is being seen - and that is imho
not what happens on osFree web site.
Why don't you use this mail list to spread the info ?
Allan.
Allan Holm Operating -_-_\ \ / / ____ _____ _____
Running OS/2 at _-_ _-_-_\ \/\/ /-/ -_ \ \ -_ \_ \ -__\
Unleash 32-bit power! - -_-_-_\_/\_/ -\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ speed
alh@...
Re: [osFree] Re: Real development
#1983 Re: [osFree] Re: Real development
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Allan Holm
Aug 21, 2008
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:28:21 -0700, Lynn H. Maxson wrote:
>Alright, Allan, it happens.
Lots of times for me
> To bad we can't vote early and often.
Well, here we can vote for all the things we like.
Just create a Poll
> You have mine.
Well, I was really happy to see you volunteer to the moderator job too.
I have mostly been lurking around here - and got tired of the spam,
and the owner not doing anything about it.
I have really enjoyed reading all of your postings, and I have no doubt,
that many OS/2 projects could learn a lot from you.
I can only hope, they will listen
For a job as moderator, who can do that better than an active (posting)
user ?
You will get my vote !
Allan.
Allan Holm Operating -_-_\ \ / / ____ _____ _____
Running OS/2 at _-_ _-_-_\ \/\/ /-/ -_ \ \ -_ \_ \ -__\
Unleash 32-bit power! - -_-_-_\_/\_/ -\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ speed
alh@...
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Allan Holm
Aug 21, 2008
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:28:21 -0700, Lynn H. Maxson wrote:
>Alright, Allan, it happens.
Lots of times for me
> To bad we can't vote early and often.
Well, here we can vote for all the things we like.
Just create a Poll
> You have mine.
Well, I was really happy to see you volunteer to the moderator job too.
I have mostly been lurking around here - and got tired of the spam,
and the owner not doing anything about it.
I have really enjoyed reading all of your postings, and I have no doubt,
that many OS/2 projects could learn a lot from you.
I can only hope, they will listen
For a job as moderator, who can do that better than an active (posting)
user ?
You will get my vote !
Allan.
Allan Holm Operating -_-_\ \ / / ____ _____ _____
Running OS/2 at _-_ _-_-_\ \/\/ /-/ -_ \ \ -_ \_ \ -__\
Unleash 32-bit power! - -_-_-_\_/\_/ -\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ speed
alh@...
Re: [osFree] Real development
#1984 Re: [osFree] Real development
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Yuri Prokushev
Aug 22, 2008
2008/8/22 Allan Holm <alh@...>:
>> At the present time only few active developers. Having so
>>small amount of resources we will wait for real release very long
>>time. Actually, we have different areas for development. Starting from
>>the loader and ending with WPS.
>
> My guess would be, that no one really knows, what goes on in osFree
> project. A website is something you have to visit, to know something
> goes on ... info in a mailing list pops up in your face @ home
> (when subscribed). I remember I have looked at osFree.org many times;
> but most times some parts of site was down - and the different forums
> from time to time was mostly empty.
We don't have resources to maintain site. It is on minimal functionality.
> There are 400 members of this list. Why don't the osFree developers
> report all new developement / progress here ?
>
> If you want to attract new developers, _the_ most importently thing
> is to make your project look alive, and that meens posting news, and
> discussing developement where it is being seen - and that is imho
> not what happens on osFree web site.
>
> Why don't you use this mail list to spread the info ?
Well. In short.
Boot loader mostly works.
Many command line tools also works.
32-bit part of REXX interpreter also works.
Work in progress on PM.
LX format execution works but steel some relocation issues.
CPI work in progress.
Better to look into SVN.
--
wbr,
Yuri
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Yuri Prokushev
Aug 22, 2008
2008/8/22 Allan Holm <alh@...>:
>> At the present time only few active developers. Having so
>>small amount of resources we will wait for real release very long
>>time. Actually, we have different areas for development. Starting from
>>the loader and ending with WPS.
>
> My guess would be, that no one really knows, what goes on in osFree
> project. A website is something you have to visit, to know something
> goes on ... info in a mailing list pops up in your face @ home
> (when subscribed). I remember I have looked at osFree.org many times;
> but most times some parts of site was down - and the different forums
> from time to time was mostly empty.
We don't have resources to maintain site. It is on minimal functionality.
> There are 400 members of this list. Why don't the osFree developers
> report all new developement / progress here ?
>
> If you want to attract new developers, _the_ most importently thing
> is to make your project look alive, and that meens posting news, and
> discussing developement where it is being seen - and that is imho
> not what happens on osFree web site.
>
> Why don't you use this mail list to spread the info ?
Well. In short.
Boot loader mostly works.
Many command line tools also works.
32-bit part of REXX interpreter also works.
Work in progress on PM.
LX format execution works but steel some relocation issues.
CPI work in progress.
Better to look into SVN.
--
wbr,
Yuri
Loading of LX files
#1985 Loading of LX files
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Yuri Prokushev
Aug 22, 2008
Hi, All.
Ok. Lets talk about something more concrete. For execution of OS/2
application we must support following formats:
a) NE for 16-bit applications (1.x era, not main goal now)
b) LX for pure 32 and mixed 16/32 apps (2.x era, main goal now)
c) ELF for native osFree format.
We have rudimental LX file format loader (under /os2/server directory
in SVN). At least easest application loaded and fixups applied just
fine, but... By default OS/2 applications linked to be loaded at
10000h address. LX documentation and WLINK documentation if
application can't be loaded to above address it can be relocated. But
Fixup record table doesn't contains relocation information. As result
we have hardcoded addresses in executable. So, how to solve this
problem? May be we missed something?
--
wbr,
Yuri
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Yuri Prokushev
Aug 22, 2008
Hi, All.
Ok. Lets talk about something more concrete. For execution of OS/2
application we must support following formats:
a) NE for 16-bit applications (1.x era, not main goal now)
b) LX for pure 32 and mixed 16/32 apps (2.x era, main goal now)
c) ELF for native osFree format.
We have rudimental LX file format loader (under /os2/server directory
in SVN). At least easest application loaded and fixups applied just
fine, but... By default OS/2 applications linked to be loaded at
10000h address. LX documentation and WLINK documentation if
application can't be loaded to above address it can be relocated. But
Fixup record table doesn't contains relocation information. As result
we have hardcoded addresses in executable. So, how to solve this
problem? May be we missed something?
--
wbr,
Yuri
Re: [osFree] New poll for osFree
#1988 Re: [osFree] New poll for osFree
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Richard R. Pufky
Aug 26, 2008
osFree@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> To stop spam to this group, 2 persons has volunteered
> to act as moderators.
> What do you prefer ?
>
> o Lynn H. Maxon (lynnmaxon) as moderator
> o Allan Holm (alh01dk) as moderator
> o No new moderator
Wouldn't it be possible to get both people installed as moderators?
Nothing against either of you, since I know you are both online a bunch,
but a couple of people sharing the duties makes for lighter work.
Rick
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Richard R. Pufky
Aug 26, 2008
osFree@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> To stop spam to this group, 2 persons has volunteered
> to act as moderators.
> What do you prefer ?
>
> o Lynn H. Maxon (lynnmaxon) as moderator
> o Allan Holm (alh01dk) as moderator
> o No new moderator
Wouldn't it be possible to get both people installed as moderators?
Nothing against either of you, since I know you are both online a bunch,
but a couple of people sharing the duties makes for lighter work.
Rick
Re: [osFree] New poll for osFree
#1989 Re: [osFree] New poll for osFree
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Allan Holm
Aug 27, 2008
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:12:35 -0400 (EDT), Richard R. Pufky wrote:
>osFree@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>> To stop spam to this group, 2 persons has volunteered
>> to act as moderators.
>> What do you prefer ?
>>
>> o Lynn H. Maxon (lynnmaxon) as moderator
>> o Allan Holm (alh01dk) as moderator
>> o No new moderator
>
>Wouldn't it be possible to get both people installed as moderators?
>Nothing against either of you, since I know you are both online a bunch,
>but a couple of people sharing the duties makes for lighter work.
I think that it is a great idea; but when I asked Yahoo, they said we
should elect a person this way. Of course, I could have tried to create
a choice with both of us as moderator, but thats too late now.
I don't know if a moderator have to possibility to insert new moderators,
or only the owner can - but if it is possible I sure would insert Lynn too
if I get elected - and I have a feeling Lynn would do the same.
The real problem is, that Yahoo will not change Owner of the group; so
I think that tracking down the current owner would be first job for
the new moderator.
IMHO, it doesn't matter which of us you vote for. It is more important
that you vote - to show Yahoo, that the people in this group want a
new moderator.
Allan.
Allan Holm Operating -_-_\ \ / / ____ _____ _____
Running OS/2 at _-_ _-_-_\ \/\/ /-/ -_ \ \ -_ \_ \ -__\
Unleash 32-bit power! - -_-_-_\_/\_/ -\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ speed
alh@...
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Allan Holm
Aug 27, 2008
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:12:35 -0400 (EDT), Richard R. Pufky wrote:
>osFree@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>> To stop spam to this group, 2 persons has volunteered
>> to act as moderators.
>> What do you prefer ?
>>
>> o Lynn H. Maxon (lynnmaxon) as moderator
>> o Allan Holm (alh01dk) as moderator
>> o No new moderator
>
>Wouldn't it be possible to get both people installed as moderators?
>Nothing against either of you, since I know you are both online a bunch,
>but a couple of people sharing the duties makes for lighter work.
I think that it is a great idea; but when I asked Yahoo, they said we
should elect a person this way. Of course, I could have tried to create
a choice with both of us as moderator, but thats too late now.
I don't know if a moderator have to possibility to insert new moderators,
or only the owner can - but if it is possible I sure would insert Lynn too
if I get elected - and I have a feeling Lynn would do the same.
The real problem is, that Yahoo will not change Owner of the group; so
I think that tracking down the current owner would be first job for
the new moderator.
IMHO, it doesn't matter which of us you vote for. It is more important
that you vote - to show Yahoo, that the people in this group want a
new moderator.
Allan.
Allan Holm Operating -_-_\ \ / / ____ _____ _____
Running OS/2 at _-_ _-_-_\ \/\/ /-/ -_ \ \ -_ \_ \ -__\
Unleash 32-bit power! - -_-_-_\_/\_/ -\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ speed
alh@...
Re: [osFree] New poll for osFree
#1990 Re: [osFree] New poll for osFree
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Lynn H. Maxson
Aug 27, 2008
I agree on seeking out the owner as well as having two moderators. One
would hope the owner would respond here to effect transfer of control if
no longer interested.
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Lynn H. Maxson
Aug 27, 2008
I agree on seeking out the owner as well as having two moderators. One
would hope the owner would respond here to effect transfer of control if
no longer interested.