Part 9 - Feb 22 2002

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#241 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: Legalese / doubletalk mailjmase
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:27:37 -0000, drittervonfuenf wrote:

>> One example: did you download the Flash 5 player? Well, one of the most
>> influent members of Innotek has implicitely admitted here the he has the
>> leaked sources.
>
>No one of Innotek ever said so!
>
Only Eirik was dumb enough to admit right out.
Achim more of hinted it.

>What you prob. don't know is that Achim worked for IBM
>and thus did know that sources leaked as IBM does know
>that they leaked.
>
Hmmm.
Its quite possible Innotek has a contract with IBM that allows them to posses
and use IBM sources for some things. Having such a contract and not telling
anyone would be on the verge of anticompetitive though...

If Achim/Innotek has no contract with IBM then Achim is bound to follow
the rules set up in his employee contract with IBM.
I dont know how IBMs contracts are written but the one I had myself with
a large company some years ago cleraly stated that I was never to reviel
"sensitive information" either during or after my employment.

But this is all getting really stupid:

We have a group of people that has the code and dont want to tell anyone.
They are involved in the worst possible doubletalk about whats the worst
crime posession or spreading.

Both are crimes !

Does one or three yeras in prison really matter ?





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JMA
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#242 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:48 pm
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Message from the moderator !


To many doubts has been raised about the TPE distro during this week.

It seems it stops lots of people from joining and I dont want anyone to have
doubts about
the osFree opensource, free, clean code incentive.

Therefore I have decided to remove the distro from the osFree pages for two
weeks.
During that time the "legality" of the code will be examined, with open eyes. I
would like
help with this but please no "It must be the "leaked" source since I have it".

In the mean time I want us to refrain form any legalese discussion regarding
TPE, "leaked"
source or anything else.

This group is about building a free opensource OS/2 clone and I will hit down on
discussions
that stray away to much.

If you want to help building a free, clean, opensource OS/2 clone stay with us
and start working
within your abilities, otherwise get off this list !

<Moderator osFree>




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JMA
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#243 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: Hobbes Access mailjmase
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:25:37 -0700 (MST), Jacob C. Vann wrote:

>Mr. Alfredsson,
>
>We have discovered that you, and members of your "osFree TPE team" have
>been uploading sensitive, sometimes illegal files. Hobbes is an archive
>of free, public domain OS/2 software. It is one of the biggest OS/2 ftp
>servers in the world because of its policy in only catering to and housing
>legal, free software.
>
You are threating me a non US citicen by saing I have done something illegal.
Now its up to you to prove that or I may very well sue you back !

Where in the included documents does it say its *my* TPE team ?
I assume you have read this somewhere else, or more probably
been told by someone...

My name is nowhere in the docs. I put my name in the .txt file needed
to upload to your site since you demand such a file !

You prove that a) what I uploaded is illegal in my country and b) that
I did this knowingly.

And as I stand accused I demand every evidence you have in this
case including names of the people that told you these stuff were
"illegal".

>So, please, discontinue the uploads of illegal files to hobbes, or else
>you'll damage our long-standing reputation.
>
****************************************************************************
If you had told me,
Please our policy allows us to remove files we are doubtfull about
I would have done exactly what you want.

But YOU choose to take to battle !
***************************************************************************




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#244 From: "Adrian Gschwend" <ktk@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:41 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hobbes Access netlabsorg
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:52:09 +0100, JMA wrote:

>****************************************************************************
>If you had told me,
>Please our policy allows us to remove files we are doubtfull about
>I would have done exactly what you want.
>
>But YOU choose to take to battle !
>***************************************************************************

I don't know what you want to say with this but *PLEASE* don't upload
the stuff to hobbes anymore. Hobbes can get much more troubles than
other ftp servers outside the US and hobbes is *really* something we
cannot risk!!!!

so please use your own FTP servers if you really want to publish the
stuff.

If hobbes has to shut down I and a *lot* of other OS/2 users will be
very angry.

cu

Adrian


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#245 From: "raprapand" <andersand666@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:57 pm
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--- In osFree@y..., "JMA" <mail@j...> wrote:

> You are threating me a non US citicen by saing I have done something
illegal.
> Now its up to you to prove that or I may very well sue you back !

Please, stop this. The mail you have recieved is a rather normal
reaction. You have done something wrong, even if you didn't know it.
Beginning to talk about sueing helps nobody.

We are not that many in the OS/2 community, fighting each other
doesn't help us.

Regards Kim Ludvigsen

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#246 From: "JMA" <mail@...>
Date: Fri Feb 22, 2002 11:59 pm
Subject: ftp site for developers mailjmase
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Hi all !

I just took out some space on my home ftp site for osFree.
I though of this as a preliminary place before we get a real CVS.

You dont have write access since if I give you I will get the
disk full of strange directory names with windows games in...

log in anonymous to: ftp://jma.dnsalias.com/osfree

Here you will find:

/build - build environment for the sources (1)
/docs - various docs related to osFree
/dropzone - see below
/ibmddk - A mirror of the IBM OS/2 Drivers Developers Kit (2)
/logo - The osFree logo
/source - Source code (3)
/watcom11c - Watcom 11.0c beta

(1)
Makefiles and tools,
this dir is still empty, help out filling it.

(2)
This is the IBM device driver development tools. I assume they would be
interesting
for the kernel group to look at. Read the licence before use.
Its a mirror of what can be found at:
ftp://ddkdnld:its5now@testcase.boulder.ibm.com/

(3)
-- cmd
-- cpapi
-- kernel
-- pmwps

These are empty right now but I assume you all are in the progress of coding
stuff to fill them. When you have anything to contribute contact me or write
about
it in this group.

/dropzone
This directory is no-read and access not logged. Use this if you have things to
me that may help me evaluating the "legality" of the TPE .

Please note that my machine is connected with a ADSL line and my ISP does
not promise 24/7 so its not always up.





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JMA
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#247 From: "Michal Necasek" <michaln@...>
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 1:57 am
Subject: Re: Coding conventions: first draft michalnec
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:49:40 +0100, criguada@... wrote:

Cris,

>this is the first draft about coding conventions. It is attached to the
>message. I'll complete it as soon as I can.
>
I don't think the attachment made it?


Michal

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#248 From: Cristiano Guadagnino <criguada@...>
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 2:40 am
Subject: Re: Coding conventions: first draft criguada
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Hi Michal,

** Reply to message from "Michal Necasek" <michaln@...> on Fri, 22 Feb
2002 14:57:37 -0800 (PST)

> I don't think the attachment made it?

You're right. Unfortunately I won't be able to repost it until monday.
Bye

Cris

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#249 From: "Cristiano Guadagnino" <criguada@...>
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:01 am
Subject: Re: NewOS criguada
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Hi,

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:12:48 +0100 (CET), ShadoW wrote:

>- the developer wants to keep control of the project (-> branch)

Yes, we could branch it (it's opensource, right? didn't
look at the license)

>- proprietary driver interface?

Yes, for sure. How hard is it to "implant" a driver
interface on a kernel that's built around another?
Is it worth, or would it be better to build it from
scratch?

Bye

Cris

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#250 From: Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut@...>
Date: Sat Feb 23, 2002 3:28 am
Subject: Re: Re: Unable to help: What do you need to participate ? krissteenhaut
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JMA schreef:

> >
> Ah, you not part of the EU.
> What I say is legal in atleast EU and Russia (right Kris?)
>

Right. But I think we better can stop it. If our worthy opponents want to sue,
then the'll have to sue instead of bombarding words and words and words all
around. Big Blue claiming it's sells less of OS/2 copies due to osfree?

Ridiculous. So let's go on. You can't have the letter of the alphabet, music
notes and notation, strings and numbers patented nor copyrighted.

So, let's move on. We don't copy OS/2 nor any parts in it. We are fabricating
an OS/2 (*)
compatible os.
(*) OS/2 is a trade mark owned by International Business Machines.

--
Groeten uit Gent,

Kris