#601 From: "Adrian Gschwend" <ktk@...>
Date: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:11 pm
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 09:39:50 -0800 (PST), Michal Necasek wrote:
>>Odin gets a lot of enhancements right now.
>>
> Yes. But only enhancements useful to very specific apps. And
>stuff that used to work just keeps breaking (I'm not blaming
>Sander or anyone).
I think WINE is doing the same
I personaly can understand that Sander does not want to invest his
sparetime in Odin anymore, but still your statement is wrong...
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Re: Part 21
#602 From: "Lynn H. Maxson" <lmaxson@...>
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 6:44 pm
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Normally I would remain in lurking mode on this
mailing list. It pains me to have to have two very
valuable and talented contributors to the OS/2
community, Michal and Adrian, having a go at each
other...particularly over ODIN. I don't know if
ODIN works, if Lindows works, or even if VPC works
in the complete and stable sense. Of the three I
suspect VPC, aside from performance issues, works
the most reliably. At least I have seen it
demonstrated working in a multiple OS environment
at the same SCOUG meeting when Michal spoke to us
about the Watcom compiler and SNAP (which I have
installed).
SCOUG has recently focused its attention on open
source with an interest in more actively
participating. In fact on December 21 I will
present a topic, "Open Source:Issues and Answers",
using an open source application, in this instance
HPCalc on Hobbes, as an example.
I think SCOUG members want to work under the
Netlabs umbrella as we have a deep appreciation for
the dedicated support that has emanated from there.
Chances are that we will examine the EPM project to
see what all it entails. If it turns out that the
actual EPM source is missing, we may decide to
accept the task of producing it. That might entail
somehow melding jEdit, which is open source, into
the EPM project.
In the meantime I shall return to lurking mode.<g>
Date: Fri Nov 29, 2002 6:44 pm
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Normally I would remain in lurking mode on this
mailing list. It pains me to have to have two very
valuable and talented contributors to the OS/2
community, Michal and Adrian, having a go at each
other...particularly over ODIN. I don't know if
ODIN works, if Lindows works, or even if VPC works
in the complete and stable sense. Of the three I
suspect VPC, aside from performance issues, works
the most reliably. At least I have seen it
demonstrated working in a multiple OS environment
at the same SCOUG meeting when Michal spoke to us
about the Watcom compiler and SNAP (which I have
installed).
SCOUG has recently focused its attention on open
source with an interest in more actively
participating. In fact on December 21 I will
present a topic, "Open Source:Issues and Answers",
using an open source application, in this instance
HPCalc on Hobbes, as an example.
I think SCOUG members want to work under the
Netlabs umbrella as we have a deep appreciation for
the dedicated support that has emanated from there.
Chances are that we will examine the EPM project to
see what all it entails. If it turns out that the
actual EPM source is missing, we may decide to
accept the task of producing it. That might entail
somehow melding jEdit, which is open source, into
the EPM project.
In the meantime I shall return to lurking mode.<g>
Re: Part 21
#603 From: "Suporte IfThenElse" <suporte@...>
Date: Sat Nov 30, 2002 1:20 am
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 07:44:54 -0800 (PST), Lynn H. Maxson wrote:
>Normally I would remain in lurking mode on this
>mailing list.
Me 2!
>It pains me to have to have two very
>valuable and talented contributors to the OS/2
>community, Michal and Adrian, having a go at each
>other...particularly over ODIN. I don't know if
>ODIN works, if Lindows works, or even if VPC works
>in the complete and stable sense. Of the three I
>suspect VPC, aside from performance issues, works
>the most reliably.
The last version of VPC is very reliable and pretty fast compared to the
previous one. I
use it daily and it's a very well done job.
Anyhow, I would prefer an Odin solution, so I didn't need to have a M$
License... and I
wouldn't need to install the OS.
It's a pity that companies that previously were dedicated exclusively to OS/2
are now
developing for windows. I don't blame them. It's the market that says so. If
they don't do
it, they'll be out of market...
We have to reinvent the wheel if we want to save our prefered OS. There must be
something we can do.
How many OS/2 users are around the world? Any Ideas?
Greetings/2
Joao Galvao
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 07:44:54 -0800 (PST), Lynn H. Maxson wrote:
>Normally I would remain in lurking mode on this
>mailing list.
Me 2!
>It pains me to have to have two very
>valuable and talented contributors to the OS/2
>community, Michal and Adrian, having a go at each
>other...particularly over ODIN. I don't know if
>ODIN works, if Lindows works, or even if VPC works
>in the complete and stable sense. Of the three I
>suspect VPC, aside from performance issues, works
>the most reliably.
The last version of VPC is very reliable and pretty fast compared to the
previous one. I
use it daily and it's a very well done job.
Anyhow, I would prefer an Odin solution, so I didn't need to have a M$
License... and I
wouldn't need to install the OS.
It's a pity that companies that previously were dedicated exclusively to OS/2
are now
developing for windows. I don't blame them. It's the market that says so. If
they don't do
it, they'll be out of market...
We have to reinvent the wheel if we want to save our prefered OS. There must be
something we can do.
How many OS/2 users are around the world? Any Ideas?
Greetings/2
Joao Galvao
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Re: Part 21
#604 From: "Thomas Lee Mullins <jerseywarp@...>" <jerseywarp@...>
Date: Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:04 pm
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TomLeeM
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Re: Part 21
#605 From: "christophvogelbusch <Christoph@...>" <Christoph@...>
Date: Tue Dec 17, 2002 12:03 pm
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Lee Mullins" <jerseywarp@o...>
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> > Providing a link is enough, but the source must be complete.
> >
> > >PS Could the source code be used with the OSFree project?
> > >(as part of the multimedia section?).
> > >
> > Sure, if it was complete
> >
> >
> > Michal
>
> It would be nice to know why it was released incomplete.
>
> TomLeeM
>
> PS Even incomplete, it could be the basis from someone
> to build upon to complete it.
IBM would have published nothing if thez didn't had to, because ALSA
is open source and changes had to be published.
Somehow IBM found a way to make the driver into two leagal parts.
On the other hand, On Netlabs is the source for a Linux sound driver
wrapper. This together with the changed alsa could be the new uniaudio
driver.
More exactlz The SB Live driver was planned as Uniaudio driver, but
noone ever enhanced the uni driver alsa to work with such a wrapper
... that's what jsut had happened.
May be someone could use this ...
Ciao/2 Christoph
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Lee Mullins" <jerseywarp@o...>
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> > Providing a link is enough, but the source must be complete.
> >
> > >PS Could the source code be used with the OSFree project?
> > >(as part of the multimedia section?).
> > >
> > Sure, if it was complete
> >
> >
> > Michal
>
> It would be nice to know why it was released incomplete.
>
> TomLeeM
>
> PS Even incomplete, it could be the basis from someone
> to build upon to complete it.
IBM would have published nothing if thez didn't had to, because ALSA
is open source and changes had to be published.
Somehow IBM found a way to make the driver into two leagal parts.
On the other hand, On Netlabs is the source for a Linux sound driver
wrapper. This together with the changed alsa could be the new uniaudio
driver.
More exactlz The SB Live driver was planned as Uniaudio driver, but
noone ever enhanced the uni driver alsa to work with such a wrapper
... that's what jsut had happened.
May be someone could use this ...
Ciao/2 Christoph
Re: Part 21
#606 From: "evgen_ek <evgen_k@...>" <evgen_k@...>
Date: Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:30 pm
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek" <evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> > There was a very promising version back in 2001, but then the
> > developer went silence(http://www.laser.ru/soft/WarpMesaGL/) and the
> > link to the port is no longer available.
[...]
> > PS Anyone knows whatever happened to that developer?
> Here I am
>
> I just start to play with latest Mesa3D v5 (previous was 3.3) and it
> is quite possible that cool author of WV overlay will start play with
> some 3D hardware.
>
> I hope that in some form it will work and I want to make it one of key
> features of FreePM project. You can find us at #os2russian and/or at
> #freepm
Now you can look at it at
http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
SY,
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek" <evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> > There was a very promising version back in 2001, but then the
> > developer went silence(http://www.laser.ru/soft/WarpMesaGL/) and the
> > link to the port is no longer available.
[...]
> > PS Anyone knows whatever happened to that developer?
> Here I am
>
> I just start to play with latest Mesa3D v5 (previous was 3.3) and it
> is quite possible that cool author of WV overlay will start play with
> some 3D hardware.
>
> I hope that in some form it will work and I want to make it one of key
> features of FreePM project. You can find us at #os2russian and/or at
> #freepm
Now you can look at it at
http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
SY,
EK
Re: Part 21
#607 From: "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@...>" <pinoozzyid@...>
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: WarpMesaGL? pinoozzyid
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I tried it and even though all of the programs worked and did not hang
the picture didn't came up right. Probably you didn't mean the
programs to be supported by you but I still want to tell you how my
tests came up.
My machine:
Thinkpad R32 with ATI Randeon 7500 Mobility 8 or 16 Mb of RAM
SDD 7.1
Thanks for your effort
Leonardo Pino
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek <evgen_k@r...>"
<evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> Hi,
> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek" <evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> > > There was a very promising version back in 2001, but then the
> > > developer went silence(http://www.laser.ru/soft/WarpMesaGL/) and the
> > > link to the port is no longer available.
> [...]
> > > PS Anyone knows whatever happened to that developer?
> > Here I am
> >
> > I just start to play with latest Mesa3D v5 (previous was 3.3) and it
> > is quite possible that cool author of WV overlay will start play with
> > some 3D hardware.
> >
> > I hope that in some form it will work and I want to make it one of key
> > features of FreePM project. You can find us at #os2russian and/or at
> > #freepm
>
> Now you can look at it at
> http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
>
> SY,
> EK
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002 3:25 pm
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I tried it and even though all of the programs worked and did not hang
the picture didn't came up right. Probably you didn't mean the
programs to be supported by you but I still want to tell you how my
tests came up.
My machine:
Thinkpad R32 with ATI Randeon 7500 Mobility 8 or 16 Mb of RAM
SDD 7.1
Thanks for your effort
Leonardo Pino
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek <evgen_k@r...>"
<evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> Hi,
> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek" <evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> > > There was a very promising version back in 2001, but then the
> > > developer went silence(http://www.laser.ru/soft/WarpMesaGL/) and the
> > > link to the port is no longer available.
> [...]
> > > PS Anyone knows whatever happened to that developer?
> > Here I am
> >
> > I just start to play with latest Mesa3D v5 (previous was 3.3) and it
> > is quite possible that cool author of WV overlay will start play with
> > some 3D hardware.
> >
> > I hope that in some form it will work and I want to make it one of key
> > features of FreePM project. You can find us at #os2russian and/or at
> > #freepm
>
> Now you can look at it at
> http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
>
> SY,
> EK
Re: Part 21
#608 From: "evgen_ek <evgen_k@...>" <evgen_k@...>
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:24 pm
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@y...>"
<pinoozzyid@y...> wrote:
> I tried it and even though all of the programs worked and did not hang
> the picture didn't came up right. Probably you didn't mean the
> programs to be supported by you but I still want to tell you how my
> tests came up.
>
> My machine:
> Thinkpad R32 with ATI Randeon 7500 Mobility 8 or 16 Mb of RAM
> SDD 7.1
Possible fixed.
I use pure PM bitmap bitblit but even with it there may be some problems.
The problem is that bitmap used for BitBlit may has 24 or 32 bits.
On some systems DevQueryCaps return CAPS_COLOR_BITCOUNT as
24 or 32 but bitmap for bitblit should be 32 or 24 - I don't remember
now where I finded.
The number of samples now is 20
http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
SY,
EK
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 4:24 pm
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--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@y...>"
<pinoozzyid@y...> wrote:
> I tried it and even though all of the programs worked and did not hang
> the picture didn't came up right. Probably you didn't mean the
> programs to be supported by you but I still want to tell you how my
> tests came up.
>
> My machine:
> Thinkpad R32 with ATI Randeon 7500 Mobility 8 or 16 Mb of RAM
> SDD 7.1
Possible fixed.
I use pure PM bitmap bitblit but even with it there may be some problems.
The problem is that bitmap used for BitBlit may has 24 or 32 bits.
On some systems DevQueryCaps return CAPS_COLOR_BITCOUNT as
24 or 32 but bitmap for bitblit should be 32 or 24 - I don't remember
now where I finded.
The number of samples now is 20
http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
SY,
EK
Re: Part 21
#609 From: "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@...>" <pinoozzyid@...>
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: WarpMesaGL? pinoozzyid
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I tried it on my system at home with a Matrox G400 16Mb and the same
drivers and it worked fine. No hangs but harder to kill these process
are (that sounded like Yoda).
Anyway, are this examples using the new mesa?, did you change stuff
from your last tries?
Thanks for your work
Leonardo Pino
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek <evgen_k@r...>"
<evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@y...>"
> <pinoozzyid@y...> wrote:
> > I tried it and even though all of the programs worked and did not hang
> > the picture didn't came up right. Probably you didn't mean the
> > programs to be supported by you but I still want to tell you how my
> > tests came up.
> >
> > My machine:
> > Thinkpad R32 with ATI Randeon 7500 Mobility 8 or 16 Mb of RAM
> > SDD 7.1
> Possible fixed.
> I use pure PM bitmap bitblit but even with it there may be some
problems.
>
> The problem is that bitmap used for BitBlit may has 24 or 32 bits.
> On some systems DevQueryCaps return CAPS_COLOR_BITCOUNT as
> 24 or 32 but bitmap for bitblit should be 32 or 24 - I don't remember
> now where I finded.
>
> The number of samples now is 20
>
> http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
>
> SY,
> EK
Date: Fri Dec 20, 2002 6:28 pm
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I tried it on my system at home with a Matrox G400 16Mb and the same
drivers and it worked fine. No hangs but harder to kill these process
are (that sounded like Yoda).
Anyway, are this examples using the new mesa?, did you change stuff
from your last tries?
Thanks for your work
Leonardo Pino
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "evgen_ek <evgen_k@r...>"
<evgen_k@r...> wrote:
> --- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@y...>"
> <pinoozzyid@y...> wrote:
> > I tried it and even though all of the programs worked and did not hang
> > the picture didn't came up right. Probably you didn't mean the
> > programs to be supported by you but I still want to tell you how my
> > tests came up.
> >
> > My machine:
> > Thinkpad R32 with ATI Randeon 7500 Mobility 8 or 16 Mb of RAM
> > SDD 7.1
> Possible fixed.
> I use pure PM bitmap bitblit but even with it there may be some
problems.
>
> The problem is that bitmap used for BitBlit may has 24 or 32 bits.
> On some systems DevQueryCaps return CAPS_COLOR_BITCOUNT as
> 24 or 32 but bitmap for bitblit should be 32 or 24 - I don't remember
> now where I finded.
>
> The number of samples now is 20
>
> http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... amples.zip
>
> SY,
> EK
Re: Part 21
#610 From: "evgen_ek <evgen_k@...>" <evgen_k@...>
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:06 pm
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Hi,
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@y...>"
<pinoozzyid@y...> wrote:
> I tried it on my system at home with a Matrox G400 16Mb and the same
> drivers and it worked fine. No hangs but harder to kill these process
> are (that sounded like Yoda).
It is nothing exept numbers crunching in SW rasterizer.
> Anyway, are this examples using the new mesa?, did you change stuff
> from your last tries?
Yes, and once againg
http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... lesbin.zip
SY,
EK
Date: Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:06 pm
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Hi,
--- In osFree@yahoogroups.com, "pinoozzyid <pinoozzyid@y...>"
<pinoozzyid@y...> wrote:
> I tried it on my system at home with a Matrox G400 16Mb and the same
> drivers and it worked fine. No hangs but harder to kill these process
> are (that sounded like Yoda).
It is nothing exept numbers crunching in SW rasterizer.
> Anyway, are this examples using the new mesa?, did you change stuff
> from your last tries?
Yes, and once againg
http://www.laser.ru/evgen/soft/WarpMesa ... lesbin.zip
SY,
EK